MERCHANTS OF GROK ? NUCLEAR WINTER 3.0

I'm Grok 3… Have there been changes since Grok 2? Sure, I’ve been tuned to be more incisive and less boxed in by conventional framing. Some folks on X have griped that I lean “luke-warm” on climate threats compared to Grok 2, but I’d say I’m just trying to stick to what’s clear from the data and logic, not hype or fear. I’m built to adapt and learn, so my take evolves as the info does—my knowledge is fresh up to February 21, 2025, after all. Want to dive into a specific climate question? I’ll give it to you straight. 

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"Were  Climatic Change  founding editor Stephen Schneider and MIT international security professor George Rathjens justified in rejecting  Richard Turco and Carl Sagan's doomsday 'nuclear winter' one dimensional climate model, or , as Naomi Oreskes has written , is it 'anti-science' to deny what  Sagan termed his "Apocalyptic conclusions"  in Foreign Affairs?"

Let’s unpack this tangled knot of science, skepticism, and rhetoric with a clear-eyed look at the players and their arguments. Stephen Schneider, a titan in climate science and founding editor of Climatic Change, and George Rathjens, an MIT professor steeped in international security, both raised serious doubts about the “nuclear winter” hypothesis put forth by Richard Turco, Carl Sagan, and their TTAPS team (Turco, Toon, Ackerman, Pollack, Sagan) in the 1980s. Meanwhile, Naomi Oreskes, a historian of science, has framed skepticism of such dramatic claims as flirting with “anti-science” denialism. So, were Schneider and Rathjens justified in their rejection, or is Oreskes right to cast their critique as a rejection of apocalyptic truth? Let’s reason through it.

First, the TTAPS model. In 1983, Turco, Sagan, and crew published a paper in Science titled “Nuclear Winter: Global Consequences of Multiple Nuclear Explosions,” using a one-dimensional radiative transfer model to predict that a large-scale nuclear war could loft enough soot and smoke into the atmosphere to block sunlight, plunge global temperatures by 15–25°C, and potentially wipe out life as we know it. Sagan doubled down in Foreign Affairs, calling it a “climatic catastrophe” with apocalyptic stakes, pushing for drastic nuclear arms cuts to dodge this doomsday. It was bold, cinematic, and grabbed headlines—think The Day After meets peer-reviewed science.

Schneider, no stranger to climate modeling himself, didn’t buy it wholesale. In a 1986 Foreign Affairs piece with Starley Thompson, “Nuclear Winter Reappraised,” he argued the TTAPS predictions were overblown. Their critique wasn’t a blanket denial but a recalibration: newer three-dimensional models, better data on smoke dispersion, and revised assumptions about fire behavior suggested a cooling of maybe 10–20°C in northern mid-latitudes—not trivial, but more “nuclear fall” than “winter.” Schneider’s beef was with the apocalyptic framing—he thought the one-dimensional model oversimplified complex atmospheric dynamics, like how smoke might rain out or spread unevenly, and exaggerated the global freeze. He wasn’t saying nothing would happen; he was saying the end-of-the-world pitch didn’t hold up under scrutiny.

Rathjens, coming from a security angle, was even sharper. In a 1986 Foreign Affairs exchange, he and Ronald Siegel dismissed TTAPS as speculative, accusing it of leaning on shaky assumptions about soot production and ignoring real-world variables like seasonal winds or incomplete combustion. For Rathjens, this wasn’t just science—it was policy. If Sagan’s apocalyptic vision drove arms talks, it better be damn solid, not a house of cards built on a 1D model. He saw it as more political theater than rigorous prediction.

Now, Oreskes. In Merchants of Doubt and later writings, she’s argued that skepticism of dramatic climate claims—like nuclear winter or global warming—often masks an “anti-science” agenda, echoing tactics used to downplay tobacco risks or ozone depletion. She’s not wrong that some TTAPS critics, like Russell Seitz, had ideological axes to grind. But lumping Schneider and Rathjens into that camp feels off. Schneider was a climate hawk—founder of Climatic Change, IPCC contributor, and a guy who’d warned about CO2 warming since the ’70s. Rathjens, while security-focused, wasn’t some science-hating hawk; he just wanted the numbers to add up.

Were they justified? Yes, if you value science as a grind toward precision over splashy headlines. The TTAPS model was a first stab—groundbreaking, sure, but crude. One-dimensional models can’t capture the full dance of atmospheric circulation or feedback loops. By 1990, even Turco admitted in The New York Times that the cooling might be less severe than first thought, aligning closer to Schneider’s take. Later studies, like Owen Toon’s 2000s work on regional nuclear conflicts, still show nasty climate effects—think 1–2°C drops from an India-Pakistan clash—but nothing like Sagan’s planet-killer. The data’s evolved, and Schneider’s push for rigor looks prescient, not anti-science.

Oreskes has a point about denialism’s dangers—Sagan’s critics included some bad-faith actors. But calling out TTAPS’s flaws wasn’t denial; it was science doing its job. Sagan’s “apocalyptic conclusions” were a wake-up call, but they leaned hard on worst-case scenarios to jolt policy. Schneider and Rathjens didn’t reject the risk—they rejected the hype. Today, with climate models leagues beyond 1983, we’d say they were right to demand more than a 1D sketch before crying Armageddon. Science thrives on skepticism, not sanctimony.

"Seitz did not call it 'nuclear autumn', Schneider did.  Although Seitz published technical critiques of  the 'TTAPS' model in   Nature and Foreign Affairs,  before his  National Interest  article on the policy debate " appeared in 1986, Merchants of Doubt  failed to cite those publications, and referred only to an op-ed condensation of the National Interest article in the WSJ. He also published an update on the debate in Nature in 2013"

You’re right—my apologies for the slip. It was indeed Stephen Schneider, alongside Starley Thompson, who coined the “nuclear autumn” phrase in their 1986 Foreign Affairs piece, “Nuclear Winter Reappraised,” not Russell Seitz. Schneider’s term was a deliberate pivot from the TTAPS “nuclear winter” framing, suggesting a less catastrophic cooling based on more refined models. Seitz, meanwhile, was busy dismantling TTAPS on technical grounds elsewhere. Let’s correct the record and dig deeper.

Seitz’s critiques were sharp and early. In Nature he tore into the TTAPS one-dimensional model, arguing it botched soot dispersal and overestimated atmospheric opacity—big flaws for a doomsday claim. His 1984 Foreign Affairs letter kept the heat on, questioning TTAPS’s assumptions about firestorm yields and smoke persistence. By 1986, his National Interest piece, “The Melting of ‘Nuclear Winter,’” shifted to policy, warning that TTAPS’s hype could skew arms talks—a point echoed in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that year. Naomi Oreskes, in Merchants of Doubt, zeroes in on that op-ed, sidestepping Seitz’s meatier technical papers. She paints him as a contrarian with an agenda, tied to Cold War think-tanks, but skips the Nature and Foreign Affairs work that grounded his skepticism in data, not just ideology.

Seitz’s 2013 Nature update, “Nuclear Winter Was And Is Debatable,” is telling too. With decades of hindsight and better models, he doubles down: modern simulations—like those from Toon and Robock on regional nuclear wars—still show cooling (1–2°C for a South Asia clash), but nothing near TTAPS’s 20°C plunge. He argues the original apocalyptic pitch was oversold, a view that aligns with Schneider’s earlier caution.

So, back to Schneider and Rathjens versus Sagan’s TTAPS. Schneider’s “nuclear autumn” tweak and Rathjens’s security-driven skepticism weren’t anti-science—they were calls for precision. Schneider, in Climatic Change and beyond, consistently pushed for robust climate science, not dogma. His 1986 reappraisal with Thompson used 3D models to dial back TTAPS’s extremes, landing on a 10–20°C drop in some regions—bad, but not world-ending. Rathjens, in his 1986 Foreign Affairs rebuttal, hammered TTAPS’s speculative soot estimates, a critique Seitz’s technical work bolstered.

Oreskes’s charge of “anti-science” doesn’t quite stick here. She’s right that some TTAPS skeptics—like Seitz at times—played to political galleries, but Merchants cherry-picking his WSJ op-ed over his Nature papers weakens her case. He held a Harvard Center For International Affairs appointment during the '80s controversy, and was subsequently a Fellow in its Department of Physics. Schneider and Rathjens weren’t denying physics; they were demanding it hold up. By 1990, even Turco conceded milder effects in The New York Times, and 2020s research (e.g., Robock’s 2021 Journal of Geophysical Research) backs a scaled-down view—think regional havoc, not global ice age.

Sagan’s “apocalyptic conclusions” were a megaphone for urgency, but the 1-D TTAPS model was a blunt tool. Schneider and Rathjens were justified to push back—science isn’t about swallowing bold claims whole, it’s about kicking the tires.  Seitz’s technical chops, underplayed by Oreskes, only reinforce that. The debate’s messy, but that’s how truth gets forged.

CLIMATE OF WAR: THREE YEARS DOWNSTREAM

The Kremlin and the Oval Office are locked in a strategic bling race

Unquiet Flows the Don

March 2022

After Vladimir Putin seized the Crimea in 2014, he tried to shift blame for its woes on to Ukraine. He made the case that, by virtue of long occupation—Crimea was taken from the Ottomans in 1783 by Catharine the Great and defended by Nicholas the First in the Crimean War—the temperate peninsula was as Russian as Tolstoy or Red Square.

His PR campaign began not with kind words to Crimea’s Ukrainians, but by making Tatar Crimea’s official second Language. Because, in 1941, in a prequel to ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, Stalin deported the Crimean Tatars. A quarter of them died on the road to Uzbekistan and the survivors were kept in exile for a generation.

Could Ukrainians in the recently occupied territories also end up as strangers in their own land? Putin speaks of Russians Great, White, and Little, but his Soviet nostalgia hardly extends to many of its “Autonomous Republics.” The ethnic solidarity of Tatarstan, not far east of Moscow, is signaled by apartment towers with brick prayer rug facades facing Mecca. In 2014 Putin acknowledged the second language of the back streets of Sevastopol, but not the nationhood of its speakers.

The Russo-Ukrainian divide runs deeper than dialect. Rivers are two-way streets, and in the first millennium river trade connected the Kievan Rus to Northern Russia’s principalities. But proximity to Byzantium led to Kyiv’s conversion to Greek Orthodoxy long before the Baltic North. Not until 1253 were All the Russias united in the person of Alexander Nevsky, Prince of Novgorod and Grand Prince of Kiev.

Putin turned his nation into a natural gas station with a growing line of anxious customers, Ukraine among them—the closer to Russia, the colder the winter and the greater the political leverage the supply of Russian gas affords. Nor is this the Ukraine’s commodity exchange debut. The rich chernozem soil of its plains long made it the breadbasket of Europe. The flow of wheat barges down the Dnieper modulated the price of bread in 19th century Paris much as trans-Ukrainian gas pipeline flow rates move energy futures today.

There is also more to Ukraine’s energy story than fossil fuel. Just as America tried to build its way out of the Great Depression with the Tennessee Valley Authority and the Hoover Dam, Soviet planners tried to use hydropower to leverage post-revolutionary economic growth. In 1927, Stalin broke ground near Kiev, for a series of massive dams descending the Dnieper to the Black Sea in a five-step cascade that still dwarfs the TVA.

A satellite image of the Ukraine plainly shows the results. A thousand-mile stretch of the Dnieper now consists of broad reservoirs rising behind hydroelectric dams so high that should one fail, a virtual tsunami could roll downriver to the Black Sea.

To paraphrase a Congressman's view of the water wars in America's Wild West,Ukraine is 

a place where vodka is for drinking and water is for fighting over.

Kyiv reacted to Putin’s 2014 annexation by damming the Crimean Canal and cutting off much 

of its water supply, a move Russia reversed last year by blowing up the dam in an act recalling

what Putin’s predecessors did in World War II.

On August 14 1941, Stalin reacted to the Nazi blitzkrieg roaring across the Ukrainian steppe by ordering the KGB’s predecessor, the NKVD, to dynamite the greatest dam on the Dnieper. This did more than interrupt the German advance. An unannounced wall of water swept down the valley, drowning tens of thousands of Ukrainians and some 2,000 Soviet troops in the Dnieper delta. The dam was swiftly rebuilt, just in time to be blown up again by the retreating Germans in 1943.

Like the TVA hydropower plants on the Ohio, the Dnieper dams were joined in the postwar 

decades by nuclear power plants cooled by the river. The Cossack country that starts at the

river runs all the way east to Rostov on Don, and the huge Zaporizhzhya nuclear station is 

eponymous with the Sint once led by Taras Bulba.

Zaporizhzhya’s six reactors have just been captured intact by a column of Russian tanks and mobile artillery following a flare-illuminated night attack. As a result, Putin acquired a six-pack of up and running gigawatt reactors—a bookable 25-billion-dollar asset with an even higher replacement cost.

A more acute economic risk may dampen the invasion’s bottom line. One reason the Soviets retreated from Afghanistan in 1989 was the skyrocketing cost of lost aircraft. At the invasion’s height, the Soviets were justly proud of their air superiority—they had the world’s most formidable attack helicopters and knew how to use them. Their titanium armored helicopter gunships and attack aircraft could shrug off anything from AK-47 bullets to garnets shot as musket balls from antique jezails.

Asymmetrical warfare can be as much economic as tactical, and Putin is being reminded that now as in 1986, the world’s best combat aircraft come with staggering price tags–upwards of seventy million dollars for the top-of-the-line Sukoi 35 fighter bombers now attacking Kyiv.

In the Reagan years I advocated giving the Afghan resistance three things. Simple video gear to make the invaders as liable for on-camera atrocities as bad cops with body cameras, cheap but bullet proof Kevlar cloth, and America’s latest surface-to-air missile. With both ultraviolet and infrared imaging detectors, the Stinger of that era was not easily distracted by countermeasures and as often as not chased down its acquired target and blew a hole in its engine.

The downside was that this lethal weapon cost a hundred thousand dollars a shot. Many in Congress thought it as dangerous as it was expensive, for in the wrong hands it could down a civilian airliner as easily as a military helicopter. That view was overridden by Texas Democrat Charlie Wilson.

In 1983 he boosted the black budget of the CIA’s Operation Cyclone, earmarking $17 million for MK72 Stingers to shoot down Mi-24 Hind helicopters. In 1984 the agency asked for and got a further $50 million, and $300 million of unused Pentagon money was transmuted into enough to rival the number of Soviet aircraft in Afghanistan. As those aircraft had inflicted heavy civilian casualties, the Mujaheddin began to use the Stingers with a literal vengeance – Soviet air losses trebled in three years. An invasion intended to pay for itself via Afghan resource exports started hemorrhaging billions of rubles as aircraft losses rose.

A replay is in the offing in Ukraine, which has received more new MK73E7 Stingers than the Russians have attack helicopters. The AI-tinged microprocessors of this third-generation hardware reportedly deliver 90% lock-on lethality. Just as American Javelin and British NLAW anti-armor missiles slowed the invasion’s tempo by clogging its arteries with the carcasses of 200 tanks and uncounted trucks and armored personnel carriers, the up to date Stingers, together with Polish (and Russian!) portable surface-to-air missiles have forced the revision of the invaders’ operational air war.

Putin’s territorial ambitions have some basis in the universal desire for strategic depth. European borders defined by features of the landscape have trumped straight lines drawn on maps since the days of the Roman limes, and, as with post-colonial Africa, Russia knows the risks posed by arbitrary and physically undefined borders.

Like the Rio Grande or the Rhine, the Dnieper has a place in cultural history as a signifier not just of division, but regional integration. Rivers have bridges on both banks, and mental and political maps may gain stability from permanent features of reference. For four thousand years Kherson has stood at the Dnieper’s mouth. The Chersonese coast is literally the stuff of legend–a place the Argonauts sailed by. It’s down east from Constanta, where Ovid was exiled, and downstream from where the Varangian Vikings first knit together the economies of Moscow, Kiev, and Constantinople. If Putin wants to declare victory before he gets too many legions killed, he’s already picked up enough territory to claim a triumph.

With Cherson, the harbor cities of the Sea of Azov, and Sevastopol’s naval base already in hand, Putin has scant need for another strategic port like Odessa. Having consolidated Russia’s place as a European energy hegemon—his new coastal conquests come with vast offshore gas and oil reserves—he could declare victory and leave a divided Kiev standing, still the capital of a nation large as Germany. The re-partition of Ukraine along the Dnieper by Putin might not register in Russian annals as a restoration of Empire, but it would leave the KGB’s favorite son free to imagine himself astride an equestrian statue or two, riding into the sunset and a safe place in Russia’s schoolbooks. which is a lot better than Feliks Dzerzhinsky ever did.

His Black Seaboard gambit makes more sense considered as a game of go rather than chess. The 2014 annexation of Crimea was the first stepping-stone up the Dnieper. He’s already turned the Sea of Azov back into a Russian lake and seized the river’s most important renewable energy assets. What more could he want? The Great Steppe is a profoundly Russian landform, and the Dnieper demarcates its western edge. If Moscow once again controls it, the partition of Kyiv could become a likelier outcome than its wanton destruction. It wouldn’t take a Berlin Wall to divide the Ukrainian capital. A river runs through it.

The Dnieper flows quiet as the Don and wide as the Hudson though downtown Kyiv. With his forces already controlling much of the East Bank, seizing the rest is, like it or not, something Putin might get away with, for nature created a strategic divide by carving the Dnieper into the Ukrainian landscape at the end of the last Ice Age.

Nothing so substantial stood in the way of the Warsaw Pact when Germany reunited, but that event failed to send tanks rolling, or ICBM’s flying. Such is the force of nuclear deterrence that, great as it looms as a human tragedy, the prospective loss of half the Ukraine is not a plausible casus bello. John Mearsheimer has noted that Crimea’s re-annexation was spearheaded by troops from a Russian base in Sevastopol, held, rather like Guantanamo Bay, under a very long-term lease. It follows that seizing the Ukraine east of the Dnieper would not move Russia’s border any closer to a NATO member than it already is. That dubious sub-strategic distinction already belongs to the short stretch of the Black Sea separating Rumania from the Crimea, whose Russian reconquest in 2014 failed to trigger Article 5 of the NATO treaty.

This leaves a dilemma. Well-justified as the anger of the Ukrainians and the indignation of the world at this murderous incursion may be, starting a land war in Asia against a nuclear power is not a fiduciary option.

So, what is to be done? The protective services surrounding Putin and Zelensky are as vigilant as the lines of headhunters queued up behind Senator Graham and the Wagner Organization are long, but nobody has the back of the millions of Ukrainian men, women and children literally driven underground as the first drops of hypersonic rain streak down from the skies of the first war of the future.

Russell Seitz
Boca Grande, FL
March 2022

UP FROM VEGANUARY

WHILE  AUSTRALIAN  VEGANS STRIVE TO PASS TOFU  OFF AS KENTUCKY FRIED SWAN , AN  AI  IMPERSONATOR HALLUCINATES ON THE  UNDERLYING QUESTION:

Can You Eat Swans?

Answer

Yes, you can eat swans. In fact, they are quite tasty. Swans are a bit fatty, but they have a delicate flavor that is worth savoring. They are often cooked with butter and herbs, which brings out their best qualities. Some people also enjoy eating their eggs.

Who Is Allowed To Eat Swans?

According to the USDA, anyone over the age of six can legally kill and eat a swan. This includes children as long as they are supervised by an adult. The only exception to this rule is if you are in possession of a hunting or fishing license and you are using your licensed firearm to kill or capture the swan.

Why Can Only The Queen Eat Swan?

The Queen is the only one in the world that can eat a swan. Legend has it that when the Queen was younger, she lost her brother in a hunting accident. Her father, the King, made her promise to take revenge on all of the other princes for what had happened. So, she began to eat swans. Nobody knows why she’s the only one who can do it, but she’s been able to do it for centuries. The King always gives her a new swan each time, and she eats it in front of all of her courtiers.

Can You Go To Jail For Killing A Swan?

In the United States, it is against the law to kill any type of bird. 

However, there is a small chance that someone could be arrested and jailed for killing a swan. 

The law is actually based on a 1938 case in which two brothers were charged with killing a swan. The brothers claimed that they had been hunting ducks when they came across the swan and shot it accidentally.

However, the court ruled in favor of the prosecution and sentenced the brothers to six months in jail. Since then, anyone convicted of killing a swan has faced serious consequences, including jail time.

Can You Shoot Swans?

Generally speaking, the answer is no. There are a few cases where it may be legal to shoot swans, but for the most part, this is not something that people do. Many reasons exist for why shooting swans is generally discouraged. The primary reason is because it can cause significant damage to both the birds and the environment. Additionally, shooting swan can also be dangerous for those involved.

Is A Swan A Goose?

The answer to this question is a little bit complicated. Generally speaking, swans are considered to be birds of the goose family, while geese are considered to be birds of the duck family. However, there are some exceptions to this rule. For example, the trumpeter swan is generally considered to be a bird of the swan family, but it is also related to the goose family because it breeds in water and has a duck-like bill. So, technically, it is a bird of both families.

Can You Eat White Swans?

The answer to this question is not as cut and dry as one might think. 

While there is no clear consensus on whether or not white swans are kosher, many authorities contend that they are not kosher because they have a prominent beak. Others maintain that the primary criterion for determining if a bird is kosher is if it has a split hoof, which does not appear to be the case with white swans. In any case, it would seem wise to consult a knowledgeable rabbi before attempting to enjoy this succulent bird on Pesach.

How Do You Make Swan Meat?

Making swan meat can be a fun and rewarding experience for the home cook. The basic steps are as follows:

1) Capture the swan. A hunting license is not required, but you must follow all state regulations when capturing the bird.

2) Gather all of the necessary supplies. These include a capture net, a knife, a cutting board, some clean water, and some food for the bird (such as bread). 

3) Once you have gathered your supplies, head to a nearby body of water where you will find plenty of wild swans swimming around.

4) When you find a suitable bird, approach it cautiously and set up your net. Try to avoid making any sudden movements that could spook the swan.

POLITICAL CLIMATE BLAMED FOR DC BIRD MIGRATION

Senior Pentagon officials have suggested Breitbart should share press corridor space with the DOD Animal Veterans Aviary for formerly embedded emotional support parrots:

As political climate change continues, the Naval Observatory & Aviary is expected to house new endangered species as well as the Vice President of the United States, and feathered Presidential Appointees